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Last August, my husband and I, accompanied by two of our four adopted Romanian children, spent a wonderful two weeks in Romania.  We traveled, visited birth families, and saw on that occasion Roman ruins, the beautiful Turda Gorge and an ancient salt mine.

I began to write of this visit on the e-group but time, commitments (disorganization?) got in the way and I never did finish my story. Suffice it to say, it was yet another wonderful trip, made even more so by having Vali and Mariana as our friends and guides along the way. We alsomanaged an adoption of a different kind during that trip – bringing back to Canada an adorable six-month old street dog. Mica, who appears to be mainly Jack Russell, is now the Ruler of Our Household and definite boss over our Doberman, Kysar.

I vowed on that trip, having seen more of Romania that most Romanians during my seven visits there, that I would never again return as a tourist but instead try to help or volunteer in some way on subsequent visits. Although much progress has been made throughout the country  this is most visible in the reduction of air and street pollution and seeing the ever-encroaching spread of western influence  there are still so many areas where assistance in all forms is a dire need.

Accordingly, when my 23 year son Jesse Mitica (adopted August 1990 from Calarasi) decided in late April to spend a month in Romania, I was more than eager to accompany him for a 2-week period, deciding to volunteer at a children’s home or mission.

Our plane tickets booked, Jesse’s family(ies) expecting him, my volunteer dossier completed and accepted, we set out with high expectations and happy hearts on May 22nd.

Tomorrow’s installment of this story will begin the story of my trip, including seven days helping to care for 21 children from an institution for the handicapped. Consisting mostly of notes from my journal (which was actually nightly e-mails to my family at home), it will document how those seven days unfolded with a chain of events and  experiences that went beyond anything I could ever have imagined. 

Carlene

About Al Jazeera

Comment by Valentin Nas | 2007/09/09 at 06:06:49

> I was a little hard on U.S. media compared to their counterparts in other countries. I’ve been shocked when from time to time I’ve read stories in the UK press about adoption.

Forget about the UK press… You should see what the Romanian press is writing whenever the issue is international adoption. The offending terms you have listed in your post (and many others) have all originated from baroness Nicholson’s arsenal she used during her anti-international adoption crusade. The Romanian authorities and media have adopted the language she was using (very effectively, I must say) in order to convince the whole world that adoptive parents are thiefs and smugglers, that international adoption equals child trafficking and results only in child prostitution, pedophilia, banks of organs and other paranoid lies.

Thank you, Josh, for pointing out the interview and for your great comments.

Vali, Romania

The international adoption system, blocked by bureaucracy. Only 2 minors are close to have a family

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Subject: [Romanian_Adoption] The international adoption system, blocked by bureaucracy
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Re: [RO-maniacs] Re: Entering the EU Through the Back Door

"why was this provision needed, why withdraw the Romanian citizenship from children adopted abroad, when Romania accepts double citizenship?"
 
EXACTLY what crossed my mind, as I was reading your words. Could the logic be a holdover of the time when an emigre from communist Romania had to renounce their citizenship before being allowed to leave? I see no provision that forbids the child from reacquiring citizenship upon reaching adulthood in much the same way those communist-era emmigrants can. Could they not make the legal argument their permission was not obtained?
 
John




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Subject: RE: [RO-maniacs] Re: Entering the EU Through the Back Door

 
I have been researching the Romanian legislation, reading the articles of laws concerning the citizenship matter.  Here is what I found:

First of all, here is what the Romanian Constitution says about Romanian citizenship:
 
"ARTICLE 5
(1) Romanian citizenship can be acquired, retained or lost as provided by the organic law.
(2) Romanian citizenship cannot be withdrawn if acquired by birth."

Now let's see what the specific organic law has to say about the loss of Romanian citizenship (Law no. 21 of March 1st 1991, modified and republished in the Official Bulletin no. 98 of March 6th 2000):
(I wasn't able to find any official translation, so please find below my translation of the relevant paragraph)
 
"CHAPTER V.  Loss of Romanian citizenship
Art. 23. - Romanian citizenship is lost by:
a) withdrawal of Romanian citizenship;
b) approval of renunciation to Romanian citizenship;
c) in other cases provided for by law.
 
[...]
 
C. Other cases of loss of Romanian citizenship
Art. 28. - The under-age child, Romanian citizen, adopted by a foreign citizen, loses Romanian citizenship if, upon request made by the adopter or adopters, receives their citizenship in accordance with the foreign law.  The minor who is over 14 years old is required his consent.
The date of loss of Romanian citizenship as detailed in the paragraph above is the date when the minor receives the adopter's citizenship.
In case the adoption is annuled or cancelled, it is considerred that the child under 18 years old has never lost Romanian citizenship. "

 
So the law clearly states that a Romanian child adopted by a foreign citizen loses Romanian citizenship if, upon request made by the adopter or adopters, receives their citizenship in accordance with the foreign law.
 
And since the adoptive parents need to make the child a legal citizen of their country (or re-adopt the child in their country), the child is forced by law to lose Romanian citizenship.
 
However, the question is this: why was this provision needed, why withdraw the Romanian citizenship from children adopted abroad, when Romania accepts double citizenship?
 
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Vali

Shocking disclosures from a Canadian volunteer

Shocking disclosures from a Canadian volunteer

I made a promise to myself to translate into English and post the article based on Carlene's letter to the editor, published by "Cronica Gaestiului" (the local newspaper). I am sending it attached. The original article (in Romanian) is here: http://cronicagaestiului.sock.ro/news.php?extend.185. Please read the attached translation.

I apologize for any mistakes. However, I believe that my translation is pretty accurate. Please note that nowhere in this article is there any mention of the nurses belonging to the House of Angels. On the contrary, the 5 times when nurses or staff are referred to, the author adds that they are employed by the local Department for Child Protection. I am stressing this because Carlene has been accused of destroying 10 years of hard work by disclosing the truth:

"My Foundation has been discredited for the first time in 10 years because people don't know that the nurses you are talking about are the State nurses." (Simona Stewart, House of Angels founder)

It is not Carlene's fault that people were not informed. Who do you think should have informed the people that the nurses working at HoA were State nurses?

Article about Vali Nas

[hazdenecaz] Articol despre Vali Nas (valinash) din Bucuresti - legatura retelelor de adoptii

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Fri, 29 Dec 2006 15:17:39 -0800

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protest-ro] Vali Nas (valinash), the connection of international adoption networks

protest-ro] Vali Nas (valinash), the connection of international adoption networks

Radu Iliescu Fri, 05 Jan 2007 07:39:32 -0800

Let's see how some of them worked and are still working

the intermediaries of international adoptions from Romania.

The case of Vali Nas (valinash), according to some it was also called in the past

Forum: Vali Nas - swindler, imposter

 

 

 

 

 

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Date: Thu May 11, 2006  2:45 am 
Subject: Vali Nash a clever swindler, impostor doing business with adoption

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To all members: Do you think you know this swindler Vali Nash who writting over and over again so many messages about re-opening international adoption from Romania? Did you ever read about Romanian International Adoption Mafia and how they use to make billions and billions dollars profit from selling children abroad? Here you go, Ladies and Gentlemen: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/romanianabandonedchildren/message/17 From: valentin_nash Date: Thu May 11, 2006 3:13 am
Copiii nu mai aratau a fiinte omenesti, iar asternuturile lor erau indescriptibil de murdare, ca si peretii coscoviti ai incaperilor in care erau tinuti. Imediat am mutat acei copii in centre de plasament din Braila si doar dupa o saptamana de ingrijiri ei puteau sa stea asezati in pat si sa manance o hrana adecvata, cu lingurita. Acum acesti copii sunt intr-o stare buna si nici nu se mai poate face vreo comparatie cu starea in care au fost gasiti". Masura de salvare, intreprinsa de ANPDC, in colaboare cu UNICEF, fundatiile Motivation si Sera-Romania, a avut loc in octombrie 2005.
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From: "jadams_11" <jadams_11@...> 
Date: Thu May 11, 2006  3:01 am 
Subject: o all members: Vali Nash (aka Vali Tiganul) is a children salesman

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To all members of this group: Ladies and Gentlemen you have to be very careful with this son of a bitch by name Vali Nash, known as Vali Tiganul or Vali The Gipsy, as well. He lives in Rachmaninov Street nr. 11, Bucharest. This bastard is very clevel and he is just pretending he is doing lobby for the abandoned children. In fact, this very clever swindler and his wife Mariana, from Buzau, is working with the romanian international adoption Mafia in order to contact foreigners for selling children in order to make a good profit. Also, it seems than this s.o.b. is under romanian police surveillance. 


 
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Nu uitati in curind, cu ocazia redeschiderii adoptiilor internationale, va oferim la un pret convenabil serviciile noastre pentru intermedierea adoptiilor internationale. Adresa noastra: Str. Rahmaninov nr.11, Sector 2, Bucuresti Tel: 021 223 7193  mobil: 722 942 862 Vali Nas zis si Vali Tiganul http://www.valinash.com/ 

romania_eu_list Re: Baroneasa Munchausen si "modelul european".

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Conform Oficiului Roman pentru Adoptii, de la 1 ianuarie 2005, pina in 1 iunie 2005, au fost aprobate 345 dosare de adoptie interna. Prin extrapolare, se poate proiecta o rata anuala de aproximativ 700 adoptii interne pe an. Aceasta rata nu poate acoperi nici macar abandonurile anuale care sunt aprox 4000 pe an (nu 10,000 cum se spune in articolul de mai jos). Sigur ca in aceasta situatie, institutiile abilitate de protectie a copilului ar trebui sa se intrebe cum sa procedeze pentru a stimula adoptia interna, daca acest lucru este posibil. Daca nu este posibil, ar trebui gindita si o strategie de revizuire a legislatiei actuale privind adoptiile internationale, in interesul si beneficiul copiilor institutionalizati, asa cum se stipuleaza indreptul international. Problematica "traficului cu copii, organe de copii si vinzarii de copii" a fost agresiv promovata de Emma Nicholson. Cu toate acestea, dinsa nu a fost capabila sa isi sustina afirmatiile cu statistici, si cifre referitoare la cazuri de copii romani vinduti pentru organe (vezi transcript interviu BBC cu Emma Nicholson din 6 octombrie 2004:  http://www.adoptachild.org/Messageboard/forum_posts.asp?TID=93&TPN=2&dlimit=1#2092.) Nici eu nu am vazut asemenea statistici, desi citesc regulat presa de specialitate. Va rog, daca aveti materiale referitor la acest subiect sa postati sursa. Este clar insa ca traficul cu copii prin adoptii internationale, daca exista, nu ar fi doar problema Romaniei, ci una internationala, si care ar trebui abordata de toate statele interesate.  Un weekend bun,Florin Rapan    --- In romania_eu_list@yahoogroups.com, "Vali Nas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> "Romania, care se afla printre ultimele tari in  acest domeniu, se afla acum> in fruntea clasamentului si este pe cale sa devina un exemplu international,> nu numai unul regional si european... Astazi, putem spune ca Romania> reprezinta un succes... Romania este acum pe loc de frunte in acest domeniu> si alte tari trebuie sa ia in considerare progresul ei." (extrase din> conferinta de presa sustinuta pe 18 martie 2005 de "campioana in materie de> protectie a copiilor", "prietena cea mai buna a copiilor romani"> bla...bla...aka baroneasa Nicholson: w <http://www.valinash.com/model>> ww.valinash.com/model )>  > Cititi mai jos un articol foarte bine scris despre "modelul european" al> baronesei Munchausen.>  > Vali>  >  >  >   <outbind://172/cid:703240405@22062005-28CF> >  > 'Good impulses' strand Romanian orphans> By Elisabeth Rosenthal International Herald Tribune > TUESDAY, JUNE 21, 2005>  > > BUCHAREST Romania's new law on the "protection and promotion of the rights> of the child" has done little to protect Vasile, a 7-year-old who has lived> his whole life in an orphanage in the town of Botosani.>  > More than two years ago, Becky Hubbell, a pharmaceutical executive from> Overland Park, Kansas, submitted the required papers to adopt the wide-eyed,> dark-haired boy, whom she and her husband had met during several medical> missions to Romania.>  > But before that process was completed, the government passed its new child> welfare law, which forbids international adoptions, among many other> provisions. The measure, known as Law 272, has left hundreds of families in> Western Europe and the United States without children they had counted as> theirs. More important, critics say, the sweeping law leaves thousands of> abandoned Romanian children stranded indefinitely in institutions or foster> care.>  > "You have a child in your heart and you've made all the arrangements, and> it's clear that child wants a family, too," Hubbell said. "But for Vasile,> time is passing without the stability of a home. And that's harder and> harder to make up for." >  > When, in 2002, officials in Brussels demanded that Romania clean up a> chaotic and sometimes corrupt child-welfare system as a condition for> admission to the European Union, Romanian politicians jumped into action,> desperate to be included in the club. Law 272, written in collaboration with> EU advisers, aimed to halt decades of mismanagement in just a few years,> with edicts that many critics now say are overzealous and impractical.>  > In response to criticism that orphans were growing up in sterile> institutions, the government mandated that no child under the age of 2 could> live in one; the new law, it noted, favored reuniting children with> biological relatives or placing them in foster care. In response to charges> that adoptions by foreigners were so poorly managed that they sometimes> resembled child trafficking, the government declared that there would be no> further international adoptions. >  > Experts both in and out of the country applaud the law's central goal: to> encourage Romanian families to stay together and to end the longstanding> practice here of abandoning unwanted children. But many child advocates> doubt that this poor country, just 15 years out from a brutal dictatorship,> will quickly be able to find good living situations for its huge population> of orphaned and abandoned children. Many children currently in orphanages> and hospitals, they say, will be stranded.>  > "There are good impulses behind the law - to provide more assistance to> mothers, to keep children out of institutions - and we all felt the system> needed more standards," said Gabi Mihaela Comanescu, program director of> ProChild, a Bucharest nongovernmental organization.>  > "But there are problems," Comanescu said. >  > "For example, there are older children who are as adoptable as ever, but> there is no one to adopt them now. Also, the law says every abandoned child> under 2 should be in foster care, but as far as I know there aren't nearly> enough foster homes.">  > The unintended result: A number of deserted infants now pass their precious> first year in a hospital ward. >  > There are close to 10,000 children abandoned at hospitals each year in> Romania, according to a new study by Unicef, and up to 50,000 children in> care of the state.>  > Before Law 272 took effect on Jan. 1 this year, politicians from France,> Italy and United States, among others, vigorously lobbied the Romanian> government to rethink the ban on international adoptions - or at least to> allow cases already in process to proceed. In January, the new Romanian> prime minister, Calin Popescu Tariceanu, said that he would "not forget> foreign families" who had taken steps to adopt Romanian children.>  > According to the Romanian Adoptions Office, 467 babies were adopted by> foreigners in 2002, although a partial moratorium was already in effect.> Before that, several hundred Romanian children were adopted annually by> families in Italy, France, Israel and the United States, according to> adoptions groups in those countries. Today the number is zero.>  > Instead, Romanian county child welfare officials are now required to> "reintegrate or integrate the children into their biological/extended> families or to place them with a Romanian foster family," said Theodora> Bertzi, head of the new Romanian Office of Adoptions. >  > New families are being trained in foster care to meet the need, she said.> Romanian couples (or grandparents living overseas) are being encouraged to> adopt unwanted children. Orphanages, euphemistically called "placement> centers," can take children over 2 when no home is available. >  > Florin Catanescu, 28, grew up in the centers after being abandoned at birth> by a schizophrenic mother. He carries his past in one small photo album> decorated with a child's glittery stickers. He is skeptical about Law 272,> at least in the short term.>  > "I just don't think the resources are sufficient in our country for this new> law, and attitudes will not change that quickly," said Catanescu, who is> starting a nongovernmental organization to help graduates of the centers> integrate into society: find jobs, rent apartments, buy coffee. "Children> will be stuck - there are still so many families who abandon children.">  > In Romania, the law has recently come under fire because of news reports> that large numbers of abandoned infants under 2 now live in Bucharest> hospitals. The new law says that abandoned children in this age bracket can> be placed with families, but not in orphanages, since research shows that> institutional upbringing impedes their development. But there are not enough> willing families.>  > When a Romanian journalist, Adriana Oprea-Popescu, stayed in the hospital> with her sick infant this year, she was shocked to find herself rooming with> two toddlers who were growing up in hospital beds. One, a healthy> 8-month-old, had lived there since the age of 7 days.>  > The result of that experience was a series of exposés in the newspaper> Jurnalul National describing feeding rooms where newborns get bottles from> their mothers and abandoned babies are fed with a bottle propped on a cloth.> >  > "What is happening is really tragic," Comanescu said. "The law compares a> home with an institution, and concludes a home is better. But a hospital is> even worse, since there are no play programs" at a typical hospital.>  > A new Unicef report, marked "not for distribution" but provided to a> reporter, concludes that "children under the age of 2, and especially> newborns left without their mother, constitute an emergency segment that> requires immediate priority.">  > Romania's unusual tradition of child abandonment began with a ban on birth> control imposed by Nicolae Ceausescu, the former dictator, in 1966, in the> aim of increasing the population. Within a year, women began dropping off> unwanted children at state orphanages or hospitals. Their logic was that> "the government wanted them, so the government should raise them," the UN> report said. >  > Child abandonment has continued at the same level for 40 years, said Pierre> Poupard, head of the Unicef office in Bucharest, even though birth control> is widely available in post-Communist Romania. Now, mothers desert babies> because they feel they cannot afford to raise them. >  > Many of the abandoned children continue to have contact with their mothers> even if they live in placement centers for years, making it hard to define> their family status.>  > Under the old law, if a mother disappeared for more than six months, the> child could be put up for adoption. But the new law stipulates that a> mother's right to her child is indefinite, extending through years of> absence.>  > In order for a child to be put up for adoption, the mother must sign a paper> formally ending the relationship, which is impossible in cases like Vasile's> when the mother has long since disappeared. Other relatives have to decline> the child as well. >  > At the Sunbeam Complex of Community Service, a placement center 100> kilometers, or 60 miles, from Bucharest, 15 of the 16 children (aged 4 to 9)> have had in their lives some contact with their biological families. Only> one girl, aged 4, is technically adoptable. >  > The tidy two-story house, lying amid dusty fields, is far superior to the> huge, impersonal orphanages in Communist Romania that made its child welfare> system so notorious. On a recent afternoon, young residents busied> themselves drawing pictures at low tables and playing with blocks.>  > But before Law 272, five children left here each year, adopted by foreign> families, said Letitia Stefanescu, the home's director.>  > The new law "has many good aspects," Stefanescu said, such as offering> preventive counseling and financial assistance to young mothers deemed at> risk of abandoning babies. But she acknowledged the downside for the> children in her care: "International adoptions gave them a chance for a> family.">  > A cute 9-year-old with pigtails, who can only be identified as M.S., said,> "I like being here, but I would like more to be with my mom." The girl's> mother, who lives nearby, hasn't visited for several years.>  > Stefanescu has faith that the new system will find solutions: New programs> will encourage or force some mothers to pick up abandoned kids; other> children will find foster homes. The 4-year-old, she hopes, will be adopted> by Romanians, even though they traditionally do not adopt older children. >  > Becky Hubbell, who spends holidays volunteering here, thinks it's great that> the Romanian government is now helping families stay together. But in the> meantime, she said, "there are kids like Vasile who have no options but> adoption abroad. We already provide support for him. We will be his family,> no matter what.">  > Copyright © 2005 The International Herald Tribune>  >  <http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/06/21/news/adopt.php>> http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/06/21/news/adopt.php      *** sustineti [romania_eu_list] prin 1% din impozitul pe 2005 -detalii la http://www.europe.org.ro/euroatlantic_club/unulasuta.php ***      Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to:    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/romania_eu_list/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:    [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:    http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/    
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